tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post6265407620628923640..comments2023-12-26T18:15:16.061-06:00Comments on DOG SHOW POOP: VACCINE ALERTBilly Wheelerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10638169474272913281noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-24171514502557139562011-10-22T05:03:52.746-05:002011-10-22T05:03:52.746-05:00My 6 year old boxer became sick after 7 in 1 vacci...My 6 year old boxer became sick after 7 in 1 vaccine. Hives within 24 hours, followed by sore neck and swelling at injection site, decreased appetite and vomiting, then by 48 hours had bloody diarrhea, seizure. Dx immune mediated thrombocytopenia. Put to sleep 7 days after vaccination was given. Platelet count 6,000 and multiple blood transfutions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-16563952209228976792011-07-03T09:28:26.776-05:002011-07-03T09:28:26.776-05:00I cannot believe there are breeders out there that...I cannot believe there are breeders out there that justify breeding dogs that cannot be bathed following a skunk incident....what the hell is wrong with their immune system that they cannot be bathed??? Do they live in a bubble? How can we as the caretakers responsible for the perpetuation of healthy animals allow this....What have we done to the species that it comes to this? I am both a RVT and owner/handler/breeder of French Bulldogs. Dogs that are not sound (conformation and health) are not bred in order to only produce the healthies animals I can. I have to remember that these are pets first and foremost and if I am not able to do the best I can for my pets, then I should not be in the game. OMG, I am totally floored by this whole issue. I have seen puppies die horrible deaths from parvo. I saw an adult Dalmation die a horrible death from parvo. Immune Mediated Hemolytic Anemia can be caused by anything that triggers that dogs immune system. Most commonly seen in Female Cockers. As a RVT, my dogs are vaccinated but they are also regularly checked by my doctors before being vaccinated. We do not self vaccinate our children, do we? And as the mother of an autistic son, I still believe in VACCINES!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-82871049203864799142011-05-22T14:52:46.665-05:002011-05-22T14:52:46.665-05:00There's no legitimacy to any medical "res...There's no legitimacy to any medical "research" project funded by lawyers trolling for clients.<br /><br />Shame on Dog Show Poop for perpetuating fears to help lawyers make money from the dog fancy industry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-17442390914006434952011-04-20T03:42:53.240-05:002011-04-20T03:42:53.240-05:00my 5 year old completely healthy 6 pound happy pup...my 5 year old completely healthy 6 pound happy pup had a hep vaccination shot 2 months ago and today I come home from work and she can't move. I took her to the vet who administered the shot only to feel sick myself when he told me she has a fever of 104.5. Her vet insisted the shot was necessary with absolutely no prior health problems or any trace of the virus. There is no possibility in my eyes she acquired hepatitis from her surrounding environment or it being a hereditary issue. Tonight I cannot sleep because my best friend is in critical condition being pumped with fluids. the vet said sorry and she may not make it through the night. We need a miracle now. Any suggestions? Should I believe the vet caused this disaster?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-39244225075042496952011-04-05T16:53:31.538-05:002011-04-05T16:53:31.538-05:00@Dr.Cara Cambell-I just got this article in an eam...@Dr.Cara Cambell-I just got this article in an eamil and wanted to know what you thought.I respect your opinion and its always good to get a second opinion from another vet. The link is: https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&view=bsp&ver=ohhl4rw8mbn4Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-11535083702140149852011-04-05T15:12:36.239-05:002011-04-05T15:12:36.239-05:00Well, I see that the "Vaccine Alert" is ...Well, I see that the "Vaccine Alert" is now in a column with the other ads, where it belonged all along. It is a solicitation for clients by a class-action lawyer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-12426671796418069392011-04-05T10:29:22.862-05:002011-04-05T10:29:22.862-05:00Years ago I had a 4 year old bitch that died from ...Years ago I had a 4 year old bitch that died from complications due to Immune-medicated Thrombocytopenia. After her death, I was told there had been others of her bloodline who suffered from AIHA as well. Now-a-days, the veterinary literature names my breed as being more susceptable to AIHA and Immune-mediated Thrombocytopenia. IMO, (and others as well) there IS a genetic link. <br /><br />I agree that this site is not the proper place to be discussing this topic and especially in preparation for a class action lawsuit. I do believe a vaccine might be a "trigger" for the expression of the problem but it is NOT the cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-69242778364531310072011-04-04T12:38:36.411-05:002011-04-04T12:38:36.411-05:00I forgot to add in my comment at 12:18pm that diff...I forgot to add in my comment at 12:18pm that different lines in my breed(collies) are allergic to different things.In the invermectin issue only about 35%-40% of collies are allergic to this particular breed.The link is telling you just to be careful and keep an eye on it if you own collies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-4328804563116140842011-04-04T12:18:10.779-05:002011-04-04T12:18:10.779-05:00@April 2, 6:39-I think the person who left the com...@April 2, 6:39-I think the person who left the comment about skunks meant the chemical that is used in the shampoo.I show collies and they are highlighly sensitive to alot of different things including different shampoos and other things.Here is a link to what I am saying: http://www.colliesproblems.com/collie-allergies<br />Collies are also allergic to Ivermectin.Here is a link to that http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/announcements/invermectin/ownerinfo.html<br />There are also many other drugs that collies are allergic ranging from morphine to acetromazine to yxlazine.<br />I am fortunate enough to a vet that deals with other collies and have a major vet hospital in the state that has a vet that owns collies also.Some people are not fortunate enough to a have a vet that deals with their particular breed alot or have a major vet hospital where one of the vets own their breed. So please be kind to those people even if you don't agree with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-8640171156208121852011-04-03T18:17:04.100-05:002011-04-03T18:17:04.100-05:00Veterinary epidemiologist again....
I am still cu...Veterinary epidemiologist again....<br /><br />I am still curious why these folks who claim their breed is more sensitive than others to the lepto vaccine refuse to name their breed. What is the hold up? I admit, I am a skeptic, but I would love to see the literature demonstrating a breed predisposition to such a reaction. Perhaps if you won't name the breed, you could provide a reference for the rest of us if it does exist?<br /><br />I agree, dogs have a higher rate of reactions to bacterins than other vaccinations, but I would like to see the evidence - scientific - that certain breeds are more predisposed. I am always open to learning more, but this masquerade does nothing to make me reconsider how I practice.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-50811633400468508082011-04-03T00:41:07.710-05:002011-04-03T00:41:07.710-05:00I have nothing to contribute to the IMHA discussio...I have nothing to contribute to the IMHA discussion but do have to say that I agree with someone who posted earlier about breed reactions to Lepto. We refuse to vaccinate our dogs for it AND have it in our contract that dogs we bred are not to have it (or the contract is void should something happen) after having two severe reactions in unrelated dogs. Luckily, working in a veterinary clinic, we caught both anaphylactic reactions and were able to save the dogs. <br /><br />I do not have any scientific research to prove the breed sensativity - only anecdotal: there was a SIGNIFICANTLY higher rate of reaction to Lepto in my breed in our clinic, regardless of breeder, bloodlines, etc. And it was also significantly higher with one brand of vaccine versus others. <br /><br /><br />I agree that if a breed as a whole is so sensative that washing it after it has been sprayed by a skunk kills it that perhaps breeding programs need to be seriously re-evaluated... but vaccine reactions? They're a part of people, too. Should be stop allowing people to breed who have reactions to vaccines and/or medication simply because their body won't handle something that is produced by man? I certainly hope not, since I have severe medication reactions in some cases and hope to have children...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-36547106262978092332011-04-02T22:30:17.900-05:002011-04-02T22:30:17.900-05:00Billy,
I replied privately to the email address su...Billy,<br />I replied privately to the email address supplied, and received a response. After Bing'ing Hyman Lipitt, I was distressed to see that they were a law firm. Whether you knew it or not, one would think that a law firm soliciting potential members for a class action, would at least offer this information in their solicitation. And yes, it is a solicitation, it is not a request for case studies, or for scientific research. You would think that their would be laws against this type of activity.R Wileynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-15015976341647355372011-04-02T21:25:16.170-05:002011-04-02T21:25:16.170-05:00Thank you last poster. That's what I tried to ...Thank you last poster. That's what I tried to state in my original post, but you did it better. I get a little riled up about this topic. My goal is to do what's best for my patients (which includes my own dogs), not what some attorney thinks I (veterinarians) should do. Cara Campbell, DVMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-87891453110758081192011-04-02T18:39:59.985-05:002011-04-02T18:39:59.985-05:00A few comments.
1) What breed is so fragile that ...A few comments. <br />1) What breed is so fragile that you can't even wash skunk spray off of it? It would be great to know to make this public knowledge if it is indeed (cough) true. <br />2) where is the scientific literature listing breeds that can not be vaccinated against leptospirosis?<br />3) IMHA does not cause bleeding. <br />4) Douglas Hyman is a lawyer. I am not sure what his motives are for collecting information about adverse reactions following vaccination (though I certainly I have my suspicions). I will toss this bone to him: If you are engaging in valid scientific research about vaccination and IMHA, you better be able to cough up a protocol about what hypothesis you are testing and how you intend to test that hypothesis. Otherwise, I will go with my gut feeling that is not so subtly stated in your solicitation, that you are out for money. Besides, did anyone else notice that Mr. Hymen started by talking about IMHA, but later noted that he would collect information about dogs suffering "health problems or irregularities" after vaccination? This is not focused, scientific research. I would encourage Billy to post any scientific protocol you can share.<br />5) Lisa A. - this will sound horribly insensitive, but in addition to your dog getting rabies and DHLPP on the same day, the dog was exposed to a number of other immune-system stimulants, including food and many other things in the environment. Why do veterinarians make the knee-jerk reflex to blame vaccines? Did they do any special tests on your dog?<br />6) Parting shot: There is a lot the veterinary community doesn't know about IMHA, but to solicit information without an clearly stated objective is irresponsible. <br /><br />-A veterinary epidemiologist (and yes, I will agree, IMHA is a devastating disease that affects purebred dogs and mixed breeds - I would love to solve the puzzle, but blaming vaccines without other evidence is wrong).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-34238612255434964852011-04-01T23:42:40.553-05:002011-04-01T23:42:40.553-05:00I was not going to comment on this until I read th...I was not going to comment on this until I read the attack, for lack of a better word, on breeds that have sensitivites to vaccines. "Has it occured to you that maybe there is a problem with your breed?" We CREATED vaccines-how is being sensitive to being pumped full of unnatural chemicals a PROBLEM? I vaccinate my dogs-purely because the risk of contracting distemper and parvo are far greater then having a reaction, but my breed cannot get the Lepto vaccine, as they have a known higher rate of reaction. I don't see this as a "problem" whatsoever, and to imply that we shouldn't be breeding them purely because of vaccine sensitivity is ridiculous. <br />I find this particular post something that really shouldn't be on a dog show results blog. I can understand if it was something un-biased, and educational, but it is by lawyers seeking money. There are risks in EVERY thing we do, even just walking outside of our houses (or heck, even staying in them). This post will just scare people into thinking we don't need vaccines, and just create more dogs getting the diseases the vaccines prevent. Lord only knows we need more fear in our lives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-39538807129188489132011-04-01T19:25:11.447-05:002011-04-01T19:25:11.447-05:00IMHA is not *caused* by vaccines. It is caused by ...IMHA is not *caused* by vaccines. It is caused by a dog's faulty immune system and the inappropriate immune response leading to the anemia can be triggered by vaccines (or cancer, or insect bites, or parasites, or some medications, or...). Roughly 60-70% of all cases of IMHA have no apparent cause. There is a strong genetic link to IMHA as well as other autoimmune diseases -- breeders should be looking there in addition to implementing conservative vaccine protocols and titering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-23546199163451513482011-04-01T13:56:25.141-05:002011-04-01T13:56:25.141-05:00Titers anyone?
My 5-year-old dog developed IMHA t...Titers anyone?<br /><br />My 5-year-old dog developed IMHA two weeks after being vaccinated and had to be euthanized after a hard-fought, exhausting and expensive battle 8 months later. <br /><br />The ER vet who cared for her when she presented with the disease said it probably was caused by the vaccines. The internist who took over her case said it probably was caused by the vaccines. And the general vet who inoculated her quit giving vaccines altogether as soon as he learned she was ill. <br /><br />Had I been given options that included titers, I may not be writing this today. <br /><br />This is a terrible, terrible disease that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. We need to know more about it. We need to learn how to successfully treat it. That may mean challenging a vaccine company to produce a safer product. It may mean asking the veterinary community to rethink its vaccine protocols. It DOES mean dog owners and breeders must be better informed to make the right decisions for their dogs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-68783049051758550502011-04-01T12:20:17.684-05:002011-04-01T12:20:17.684-05:00I would love to know what breed it is that was ref...I would love to know what breed it is that was referred to as so overly sensitive as to not even be able to wash skunk spray off of them!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-83496345064240387812011-04-01T04:54:54.679-05:002011-04-01T04:54:54.679-05:00Lawsuit's happen all the time in human medicin...Lawsuit's happen all the time in human medicine when bad things happen so why would this issue be such a big deal? I would hope that more people would be interested in the vaccine issue and the health and well being of their dogs.<br />Patti WendlingPatti Wendlingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-59353717125662541672011-04-01T01:53:48.350-05:002011-04-01T01:53:48.350-05:00Anonymous....
It is very sad that you lost your do...Anonymous....<br />It is very sad that you lost your dog, but it is highly unlikely that vaccines are the cause. As the DVM whom has a formal education and experience with canine disease process said, it is more probable that your dog had an existing immune issue that the vaccines did not cause. Your and others pursuit for "investigation/research" when something unfortunate has happened is the very cause of a crippled health care system we humans get to benefit from. This pursuit is short-sighted and a slippery slope. Vaccines save lives. Your attempt to correlate events in time with an outcome does not prove or suggest a correlation of events (ie. your dogs death with vaccination). That is not how we show correlation or cause in science. I am again sorry for your dogs loss. Please, consider that maybe it might not be the vaccines. Can you prove that it wasn't something else? If you can prove that first then maybe you have an argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-59813674110027749112011-03-31T19:54:26.405-05:002011-03-31T19:54:26.405-05:00The link is not to a "valid research project....The link is not to a "valid research project." The link is to a for-profit Michigan law firm that's on a nationwide hunt for plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit they want to file.<br />I don't have a dog affected by this but it sounds awful. Legitimate scientific research is always a good idea. That's not what's going on here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-22823732991823859902011-03-31T15:35:59.949-05:002011-03-31T15:35:59.949-05:00I'm a bit shocked at some of these reactions. ...I'm a bit shocked at some of these reactions. I belong to way too many list servs to count and this is the first I have heard of this research. As I mentioned above, since one of my dogs was affected by IMT/IMHA I am interested in offering my experience to whatever valid research projects are going on. I'm glad you posted this because I would not have known about these contacts. <br /><br />I still vaccinate my dogs if they need it. I'm a little nervous when I do but that's understandable given my experience. But I'm also nervous as a breeder because what if the problem is genetic? What risks am I assuming by continuing these lines that I use? Because the experts cannot provide a reliable answer, I spend lots of time being nervous! So, thanks again for taking this sidebar. Those of us who are interested in IMT/IMHA have a chance to participate. I hope it works out.Mkowalczuknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-88540620729992797762011-03-31T15:05:21.527-05:002011-03-31T15:05:21.527-05:00Re the poster at 10:47am, who says among other stu...Re the poster at 10:47am, who says among other stuff, "I have a breed that is highly sensitive to everything so you have to be very careful...." Has it occurred to you that MAYBE there's a problem with your breed? If the breed is truly vulnerable to death if you wash skunk-smell off them, maybe just maybe you should think twice about perpetuating this breed??? Like, maybe we have a moral obligation to our dogs to NOT deliberately breed animals that can't deal with everyday life?<br />Sheeze, let's not make things so very easy for PETA and the animal-rights extremists! Just saying..<br /><br />Anonymous, because I don't want to be in the crosshairs of fanatics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-87451587164458631802011-03-31T13:56:53.822-05:002011-03-31T13:56:53.822-05:00Thank you, Dr. Campbell & Carol Beuchat. In p...Thank you, Dr. Campbell & Carol Beuchat. In particular, I'd like to point out that Carol has NO "dog in this hunt." She does, however, have a scientific background, one that values issues like cause & effect. And Dr. Campbell, as a DVM, is familiar with the principle of risk v. benefit.<br />I'm reminded of all the hysteria (yes, I said "hysteria") about human pertussis vaccination because of claims that it led to autism. These claims have now been thoroughly discredited by leading medical researchers, but guess what happened? A lot of young parents stopped vaccinating against whooping cough, and we've seen a large increase in the incidence of pertussis, and a bunch of dead babies. Happened to a newborn at my church--she was too young to have immunity, but the pool of older unvaccinated kids is now large enough that the risks of babies getting pertussis are now raised. And when babies get pertussis, they frequently die.<br />Patty HarbisonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-13848338183864764452011-03-31T12:33:41.687-05:002011-03-31T12:33:41.687-05:00Remember folks that No One forces you to come to t...Remember folks that No One forces you to come to this an read the information that is provided. So with that being said if one does not like the content being conveyed, click the X at the top right and close the, page.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com