tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post2500405874165498062..comments2023-12-26T18:15:16.061-06:00Comments on DOG SHOW POOP: ANNOUNCING THE DOG SHOW POOP RANKINGSBilly Wheelerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10638169474272913281noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-53776731203357685982013-09-16T19:11:49.833-05:002013-09-16T19:11:49.833-05:00I applaud your attempt to recognize "Joe Owne...I applaud your attempt to recognize "Joe Owner Handler," but agree with many other observers above that your system does not go far enough to even the playing field for the "average" exhibitor, if that is truly your goal. <br /><br />I am a grad student with zero money and less time. I made only five (2-day) shows so far this year and got two group 3s. Nothing fantastic, sure, but it is pretty good for a small time OH with her second show dog ever. <br /><br />It makes me wonder - I have a 10% group placement rate this year. How would all these great dogs be ranked if they were ranked by "wins per entry" instead? That is, give them points as per your current DSP ranking, then divide by the total number of shows they have entered. That would make huge strides towards evening the field for those of us who can't get to 150 shows. <br /><br />(No way to give bonus points for "grooms her own dog the night before a physics midterm", I suppose? Or "shows to whatever judge is within a few hours driving distance because she has tons of homework she has to get done this weekend, too"?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-80780079253716755462012-04-01T13:39:26.172-05:002012-04-01T13:39:26.172-05:00I am giving you a standing ovation !! So right yo...I am giving you a standing ovation !! So right you are !! Old saying "money talks" ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-45193272510981752162012-02-24T09:11:04.233-06:002012-02-24T09:11:04.233-06:00As others have pointed out, I notice that your ran...As others have pointed out, I notice that your ranking system still "finds" the same dogs as the traditional rankings. I agree with a previous comment that too many shows are considered. It would be more reasonable to cut the number of shows to 50. Then instead of using the 50 best shows for that dog, which still favors the heavily campaigned dogs, just use the first 50 shows the dog attends (or no more than 5 per month). Average working people can attend 50 shows a year (roughly two weekends a month). Only counting the 50 biggest wins for a dog allows one that is heavily campaigned to loose a lot and still "look better" than a superior dog that is being shown by an average Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-76269142487447374742012-02-09T22:32:29.402-06:002012-02-09T22:32:29.402-06:00Was in the Garden a couple of years ago. There was...Was in the Garden a couple of years ago. There was an entry of approx 48 Ridgebacks. All nice dogs and thirty-five of the best owner handled dogs in the country were there. Judge made her first cut of twelve. All but one dog, were on handlers. There was one person, a long time breeder handling her own dog. The BOB, BOS and all the AOM dogs were Pro handled. The Judge, (Shame on Her) couldn't find one owner handled dog in the whole group worthy of an award? Is this just a Pro-handler award ceremony or is it really a dog show?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-78596702620348521722011-10-23T07:28:51.967-05:002011-10-23T07:28:51.967-05:00Love this website !!!
But i wish you could have a...Love this website !!! <br />But i wish you could have a little link for some junior rankings! I all ways love to see the next big handlers !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-19935474288086388362010-11-08T14:05:44.908-06:002010-11-08T14:05:44.908-06:00Billy, I think you had a grand idea by trying to t...Billy, I think you had a grand idea by trying to tweak the rankings system. That said, you do realize, don't you, that right now you have EXACTLY the same 10 dogs in your Top Ten as all the magazine-based systems?<br />From where I sit in the Laze-E-Boy, the 2 big issues are as follows:<br /><br />1) Way too many shows are counted. Only obscenely wealthy people can afford to put a dog out there every weekend. Twenty or 30 shows a year would tell us all we really need to know about the quality of a given Special.<br /><br />2) There's no discrimination about points for "dogs defeated." Under all current systems, a handler flies his top special for 1 day (under a judge known to love the dog) to an itty-bitty show in the middle of nowhere, where it's a sure bet for Group 1 and maybe BIS. Picks up 500 easy points. Meanwhile, #2 dog IN HIS BREED is off winning the National Specialty, gets maybe 100 pts. Which dog has accomplished more? Never mind, I know the answer!<br />Your blog is fun & I enjoy following it. But I'm not sure that the obsession with "who's #1" means much, by anyone's current system.<br />Best Regards,<br />Patty HAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-11896768167933811072010-10-24T09:54:39.461-05:002010-10-24T09:54:39.461-05:00Well, I had all intentions of posting a comment ab...Well, I had all intentions of posting a comment about the DSP rankings. It looks like in the past 2 months other people have beaten me to the punch. It does seem like a lot of work for almost all the same top dogs in the rankings. While the intentions were great to recognize the Average Joe, I think it still falls with the campaigned dogs. Some of the ideas listed above are great.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-13731030679583133082010-09-28T09:56:55.343-05:002010-09-28T09:56:55.343-05:00I for one, believe that dog shows would rise in po...I for one, believe that dog shows would rise in popularity if there was such a thing as state and regional champions. It is a sport for the rich, so the rest of us end up supporting them, we add to their breed point totals. It does seem that the pros and the rich get the advantage. Having a good dog, isn't enough unless there's tons of money behind it. A state championship, might change that. Thoughts, anyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-62195969650958148492010-09-20T16:40:44.544-05:002010-09-20T16:40:44.544-05:00I think your goals are admirable, but I'm not ...I think your goals are admirable, but I'm not so sure they're being met under your system... The top ten are pretty much the same in each list, dominated by professional handlers and dogs that are campaigned all over the country.<br /><br />Maybe if we all cared a little less about who's #1, and celebrated the beauty of ALL the good dogs.........Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-15928242328874437852010-08-25T19:50:24.240-05:002010-08-25T19:50:24.240-05:00I would like to see a ranking system based on GRCH...I would like to see a ranking system based on GRCH point system rather than dogs defeated in each breed. It would be much more accurate because: lets say there is a good dog shown in an area where there are not may of his/her breed that dog has to win almost every time to accumulate enough points via the one point for each dog defeated system. A mediocre dog shown in an area where there are many dogs in his/her breed shown could go out and by either showing exceptionally well for a change or by some judging error win a huge amount of breed points.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-23782755866785023942010-08-10T10:22:12.500-05:002010-08-10T10:22:12.500-05:00I enjoy the beautiful pics you put on your site al...I enjoy the beautiful pics you put on your site also the information. It sounds as if you have taken on a very ambitous task. I am new at showing and find your site very helpful to me and also gives me ambition to achieve greater heights in the dog show world. Thanks for your site.Deenna Baerhttp://baerwoodstoypoodles.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-64201600455533602692010-06-08T09:44:05.687-05:002010-06-08T09:44:05.687-05:00I'm more interested in breed rankings than gro...I'm more interested in breed rankings than group. Most of us only compete at the breed level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-63535109466958592602010-05-23T18:31:38.427-05:002010-05-23T18:31:38.427-05:00Maybe we can all pitch in and report results as th...Maybe we can all pitch in and report results as they come available. This is a great read and YES! must take a lot of dedication. Thanks Bill!Heidi Colenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-40718771270320977672010-05-18T12:26:20.052-05:002010-05-18T12:26:20.052-05:00Your blog has become one of my favorite sites to v...Your blog has become one of my favorite sites to visit. I know you put a HUGE amount of time into the rankings, but I was wondering if you could find a way to squeak in the numbers so we know how close the dogs are in the standings.<br /><br />Thanks again for all your hard work, it is enjoyed.Annehttp://www.halcarkennels.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-22367561662176253232010-02-22T01:19:23.537-06:002010-02-22T01:19:23.537-06:00I think the ideal behind this is great along with ...I think the ideal behind this is great along with the mission statement. That said I think that you should open this up to owners who have top 5 or 10 in their breed if you truly want to level the playing field then look at your site for the most part it is all the usual people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-65004720962521964072010-01-13T00:21:27.799-06:002010-01-13T00:21:27.799-06:00It can happen! Dream big!It can happen! Dream big!Nancynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-46792728206990656512009-12-23T10:56:23.911-06:002009-12-23T10:56:23.911-06:00RE Nationals: How many Nationals are won the Avera...RE Nationals: How many Nationals are won the Average Joe? Maybe an Average Joe wins in your breed/s, but not in mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-42114069605102096832009-09-20T23:19:56.488-05:002009-09-20T23:19:56.488-05:00what about possibly listing any new champions for ...what about possibly listing any new champions for the week. For some of us that may be the biggest title we get as we can't afford to special our dog and even if we could we wuold have to compete against "heavy hitters" with money, professional handlers and dogs going to 150 shows per year...i know this would be a long list but it could be just that a list no photos just names & owners & breeders. Other than looking up our dogs to check points if you don't have the name or AKC reg number champion dogs are just that with a certificate to vaidate. Making a list with their registered name with the title of champion in front of their name is REALLY exciting to us and I know I cried tears of joy when I realized my dog had just got the 5 pt major and became a NEW CHAMPION!!! I was so thrilled, shocked & happy all at the same time! I would have loved for people to read his name that follow dog shows as it may end up being the only recognition we get.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-34377230864673934982009-09-09T21:08:09.951-05:002009-09-09T21:08:09.951-05:00I GO TO DOG SHOW POOP BEFORE THE A.K.C. WEEKLY WIN...I GO TO DOG SHOW POOP BEFORE THE A.K.C. WEEKLY WINS. D.S.P. is more current and right on the moneyHowardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-70487895276047801212009-08-12T12:41:06.649-05:002009-08-12T12:41:06.649-05:00In the spirit of consideration of the Average Dog ...In the spirit of consideration of the Average Dog Show exhibitor, why not, the next time you refine these ratings, add the one national specialty show for each breed? Adding one show for each recognized breed would not discriminate between breeds, and it would give some recognition to the competition between the top specials in each breed, which many of the top winning all breed dogs aren't involved in that much. Also these shows are often the only time that some "Joe the Exhibitors" really travel to a show.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-7474582487927648222009-07-28T16:51:18.780-05:002009-07-28T16:51:18.780-05:00On Animal Planet a Bulldog named Mouse won the Non...On Animal Planet a Bulldog named Mouse won the Non Sporting group. Does someomne know how to contact his owners, or have the dogs full name or web site?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-57143634172723272772009-06-12T14:12:09.815-05:002009-06-12T14:12:09.815-05:00Great idea...I always thought Terriers got the sho...Great idea...I always thought Terriers got the short end of the stick!Gibscothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10836501396263305080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-45674200122830329962008-12-23T10:30:00.000-06:002008-12-23T10:30:00.000-06:00Wow!!! What an idea!BDWow!!! What an idea!<BR/><BR/>BDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-45672901725380500712008-12-23T07:02:00.000-06:002008-12-23T07:02:00.000-06:00Great idea! This will be fun to follow. Especial...Great idea! This will be fun to follow. Especially like your evening out the scores at the Group level.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-86016361576937456692008-12-23T00:12:00.000-06:002008-12-23T00:12:00.000-06:00I LOVE IT!! 4 Paws up!!But for those of us that a...I LOVE IT!! 4 Paws up!!<BR/><BR/>But for those of us that are curious, isn't this going to be extrememly time consuming?Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10171617655171135804noreply@blogger.com