tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post1080566425785408785..comments2023-12-26T18:15:16.061-06:00Comments on DOG SHOW POOP: TAILGATING AT CRUFTS Billy Wheelerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10638169474272913281noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-53607756616523769702015-04-21T20:37:41.263-05:002015-04-21T20:37:41.263-05:00I clap my hands - or better I am putting my hat of...I clap my hands - or better I am putting my hat off. Very well written article, I like people who can say their opinion. Well done - and I agree with you at all, you are completely right. <a href="http://www.strihanipsunavarova.cz/crufts-2015-nejvetsi-vystava-psu-na-svete-den-po-dni-44-fotogalerie/" rel="nofollow">Crufts 2015</a>Netvorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01811348046079964461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-70458336280702600282015-03-11T16:55:28.111-05:002015-03-11T16:55:28.111-05:00http://raibeartscotties.com/HISTORY.php shows a ph...http://raibeartscotties.com/HISTORY.php shows a photo of the Scottie who was Reserve Best in Show at Crufts in 1930. Except for the fact, that we let their skirt grown out longer now, they are not that different, and so I would disagree with the Terriermans views. He is biased against dog shows period. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-62438123200091942722015-03-11T16:40:46.167-05:002015-03-11T16:40:46.167-05:00Barbaric? Cruel? Abusive? Such a charmed life y...Barbaric? Cruel? Abusive? Such a charmed life you must lead to use those extreme adjectives for something that I can't find even a single case report in the veterinary literature related to a tail injury being caused by this manner of handling. I am a veterinarian and worked for 6 yrs as an Editor of the most well respected and largest veterinary journal in the world and am unable to recall any such report even being submitted for consideration of publication. I can't find any discussion of an injury being caused by tail handling in any of the current veterinary internal medicine or surgical textbooks. No fractures, no bruising, no nerve damage reported as being associated with "terrier handling". Rather, the vast majority of tail injuries are from long tails with little musculature, such as exists in the Greyhound and Pointers, after banging against furniture (exhuberant tail wagging) or being shut in a door accidentally, which could be considered as justification for tail docking since repair of fractured tails in adults is not simple. In terms of pain, anyone with the least bit of knowledge about terriers and especially Scotties knows that they will surely let you know with their teeth if something is unpleasant. ADMIT that the guideline was there soley to appease john Q public in Europe who have been indoctrinated by the animal rights extremists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-84113201222704036532015-03-11T16:30:12.421-05:002015-03-11T16:30:12.421-05:00I didn't realize that it killed the dog. lol ...I didn't realize that it killed the dog. lol Actually, I am unable to find a single case report in the veterinary literature that such handling of a terrier has ever caused an injury. DVMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-68166913733123587022015-03-11T16:27:46.545-05:002015-03-11T16:27:46.545-05:00Please state the rule that was broken. There was ...Please state the rule that was broken. There was an advisory---not a rule, not a ban, not a DQ offense listed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-74221342367192898212015-03-11T12:33:17.547-05:002015-03-11T12:33:17.547-05:00If you have the opinion- state your name
I expect ...If you have the opinion- state your name<br />I expect most of you don't believe in bathing your dog either... Cleaning their teeth or cutting their nails...<br />PfffffftBUSY BEING MEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09602992394936315986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-85599487602066016712015-03-11T11:55:44.374-05:002015-03-11T11:55:44.374-05:00I agree. I have posted at least 3 times on the Cr...I agree. I have posted at least 3 times on the Crufts FB page a request to show which rule was broken. I have yet to receive a response. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02075592022614448638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-37719131316888403752015-03-11T11:53:42.048-05:002015-03-11T11:53:42.048-05:00Very well said. Thank you for such a well written...Very well said. Thank you for such a well written article. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02075592022614448638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-76967391188703992232015-03-11T09:42:13.352-05:002015-03-11T09:42:13.352-05:00Knopa was a worthy winner but if you don't lik...Knopa was a worthy winner but if you don't like the way we show our dogs in the UK, there is one easy solution. Don't come here.<br />Billy Whites article is a load of what this website is called. Dog Show Poop (for want of a better word).colliebirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10588679770563222814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-54353866671888830302015-03-11T06:55:49.606-05:002015-03-11T06:55:49.606-05:00We're not uninformed thank you! Get your fact...We're not uninformed thank you! Get your facts straight<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-6351642738410037612015-03-11T05:34:50.552-05:002015-03-11T05:34:50.552-05:001) She hasn't been penalised. The KC is not o...1) She hasn't been penalised. The KC is not on shaky ground - We still have a stable and fair legal system in the UK.<br />2) She was written to and warned not to do it again. She ignored the KCs warning. Its their competition. She chose to ignore a direct instruction.<br />3) "Their little pamphlet" Stop being so pathetic. SHE PICKED THE DOG UP BY THE TAIL AFTER SHE HAD BEEN TOLD NOT TO. END OF.<br />Leave your faux, poofed up, over preened and disingenuous practices in the USA. We don't want them in the UK. If we did we would do that. Its not a beauticians pagent Its about Fit for Function, healthy and happy dogs. Shame that you cannot say the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-87111495658296479942015-03-11T05:29:45.990-05:002015-03-11T05:29:45.990-05:00I think it can be said that the feeling is mutual-...I think it can be said that the feeling is mutual- us British animal rights 'crazies' don't think very much of 'your type' either.<br />We have two camps: <br />One who thinks that mutilating a dog's ears (which then affects their natural dog body language- something you may not be very familiar with) and docking it's tail is what makes it beautiful and show worthy. A camp that thinks it's acceptable to prod and poke a dog into position, pick it up by vulnerable body parts (you're aware the tail and neck are connected to the spine right?) and basically treat it as an inanimate object so that they can boost their egos and kennel status by winning titles.<br /><br />Then you have camp 'crazy': A camp that considers animals to be sentient beings that have emotions and feel pain (this has been proved by science you know!). That animals should be treated with respect, not mutilated for our own preference and that if people have to fly them across the world and put them in stressful situations, such as show rings, that it's done with the utmost respect for the creature.<br /><br />If being in camp two makes me crazy then I'm all for it!!<br /><br />Now excuse me while I take the time to dote on my lop eared, long tailed, ungroomed mongrel. I know that makes me mentally unstable in your eyes- but over hear it's what owning a pet is mostly about.Rozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09350843132818934945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-19270214193808476162015-03-11T04:21:18.851-05:002015-03-11T04:21:18.851-05:00English uninformed?? we're well informed thank...English uninformed?? we're well informed thank you very much, our dogs are not badly groomed nor badly handled.. you can't say this about all when you do not see or know all!!! and by the way the Doberman was stunning, just because someone didn't see fit to take a knife to the pup at 2 days old doesn't make it any less a stunning well bred and handles animal... Knopa deserved the win but don't start insulting us UK dog showers just because our kinder ways differ from your harsher ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-82838044496139915582015-03-11T04:07:04.649-05:002015-03-11T04:07:04.649-05:00What a load of bunkum! The terrier may have a stur...What a load of bunkum! The terrier may have a sturdy tail but it is hasn't developed that way so it can be picked up by it!! She was told on several occasions not to do it, so why did she continue? As for the British Animal rights 'crazies' I applaud the fact that we don't allow Great Danes or Dobermans ears to be cut It looks hideous and is CRUEL! As is docking tails if you are not working the dog. If you don't like this show and its rules, stay away!! Simple Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-47228552591473980772015-03-11T04:05:43.995-05:002015-03-11T04:05:43.995-05:00Have you seen the little boy with his English Toy ...Have you seen the little boy with his English Toy terrier? Now THAT was superb handling. He should have won. Not someone who tosses her dog around as if it was a lifeless thing. So disrespectful...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-489781422422387432015-03-10T19:16:13.889-05:002015-03-10T19:16:13.889-05:00This arrogant woman blatantly disregarded repeated...This arrogant woman blatantly disregarded repeated requests from the show organisers to STOP handling in this unacceptable way.... When exhibiting overseas you are expected to respect the written requests laid down by that country, but this woman ignored the UK Kennel Club by handling in a way that is abhorrent to many within the dog fancy, and the animal loving public. The dog was superb.... a stunning representative of the breed, but this handler left a lot to be desired. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-67855722618940498912015-03-10T19:07:00.364-05:002015-03-10T19:07:00.364-05:00Really? Is this a rule? Here's the actual lang...Really? Is this a rule? Here's the actual language of the document provided by the Crufts officials to foreign exhibitors: "Exhibitors are reminded that the kennel club believes that the practice of picking up dogs, often Terriers, by their tails and leashes when lifting them to and from the table when judging is both undesirable and completely unnecessary."<br /><br />Where I come from, that's not a rule. It's an opinion. If you tell me that the weather is warm enough that a coat is unnecessary, is it wrong for me to wear a coat anyway? This is preposterous. And, quite frankly, the hysteria generated by this is frightening.<br /><br />I assume that the KC, like the AKC, has a set of bylaws and those bylaws undoubtedly describe the process of rule-making. If the KC wants to give us their OPINION on handling terriers, we are free to ignore it. If they want to make a rule, do so and then we will abide by it. <br /><br />Frankly, the KC is on very shaky legal grounds to penalize Rebecca for not sharing their opinion on the carrying of Terriers. AND, one more thing. She didn't pick up the dog by the tail and the leash (the actually banned conduct in their little pamphlet), so she has actually not violated this NON-rule.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05877949244128340155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-88652375778380860152015-03-10T19:06:01.142-05:002015-03-10T19:06:01.142-05:00Really? Is this a rule? Here's the actual lang...Really? Is this a rule? Here's the actual language of the document provided by the Crufts officials to foreign exhibitors: "Exhibitors are reminded that the kennel club believes that the practice of picking up dogs, often Terriers, by their tails and leashes when lifting them to and from the table when judging is both undesirable and completely unnecessary."<br /><br />Where I come from, that's not a rule. It's an opinion. If you tell me that the weather is warm enough that a coat is unnecessary, is it wrong for me to wear a coat anyway? This is preposterous. And, quite frankly, the hysteria generated by this is frightening.<br />I assume that the KC, like the AKC, has a set of bylaws and those bylaws undoubtedly describe the process of rule-making. If the KC wants to give us their OPINION on handling terriers, we are free to ignore it. If they want to make a rule, do so and then we will abide by it. <br /><br />Frankly, the KC is on very shaky legal grounds to penalize Rebecca for not sharing their opinion on the carrying of Terriers. AND, one more thing. She didn't pick up the dog by the tail and the leash (the actually banned conduct in their little pamphlet), so she has actually not violated this NON-rule.<br /><br />Cindy Cooke<br />Anstamm Scottish TerriersAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05877949244128340155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-42922665578317963312015-03-10T18:08:50.143-05:002015-03-10T18:08:50.143-05:00Well said!Well said!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-71304447205355706082015-03-10T17:33:48.794-05:002015-03-10T17:33:48.794-05:00So when I visit your country again and drive on th...So when I visit your country again and drive on the left out of habit, it won't matter that I kill someone. 'Cos I's human.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-71559565692337372242015-03-10T17:07:39.639-05:002015-03-10T17:07:39.639-05:00Get over it !!! the dog has won...The fact that i...Get over it !!! the dog has won...The fact that it was a bit robotic with no personality does not matter...The judge decides..OK.handler should NOT have used its tail to lift dog off table...RULES are Rules.., and if a handler enters a show, rules should be followed...The judge could have been a bit more forceful about this rule, . However there is no need to start a sparring match between countries over this..it is after all only a dog show, although a very prestigious one..In the end the judges decision is final, and as dog lovers and exhibitors, we should congratulate the winnerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-62992080807738661432015-03-10T16:59:16.933-05:002015-03-10T16:59:16.933-05:00PETA have a lot to answer for. If only these silly...PETA have a lot to answer for. If only these silly ppl would go read what they stand for. :-( Doriken Shiba Inuhttp://www.dorikenshibinu.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-49129837369788022152015-03-10T16:57:45.435-05:002015-03-10T16:57:45.435-05:00British show, British rules......... Not exactly ...British show, British rules......... Not exactly right. Simply because the KC do not have this rule.<br />It is advised that they don't lift by the tail, it is not as yet a rule. So therefore no rules broken. So that flies out the window.<br />All the "show" slammers need to get a grip, my dogs love being with me and showing off, yes because I ask them to and they want to please. But this young lady did herself no favours with the British show folk with her remark about "not being proper dog ppl" well I consider myself as a "dog" person, and as much I dont personally like this style of handling I loved this Terrier so much about her is right.<br /><br />I would also take umbrage at the comment of poorly groomed/handled dogs. Most folks in the UK show dogs as a hobby, we do not have profession handlers. Preferring to take our own dogs in, and winning or not. It's all our own hard work, I would like to think the majority of dogs had been bathed and groomed before going to any show.<br />Well done on your brilliant win with a super animal.Doriken Shiba Inuhttp://www.dorikenshibinu.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-8326861852211736542015-03-10T15:52:39.567-05:002015-03-10T15:52:39.567-05:00Totally agree with you. When you enter a competit...Totally agree with you. When you enter a competition you agree to advise by the rules and GUIDANCE. You may say is what the dog is bred for but it isn't. This dog was bred for showing not scurrying in burrows. The dog is beautiful and his behalf exemplary, however this handling of any animal in this country is unacceptable and barbaric to say the least! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-252655140818743030.post-88351180925582291512015-03-10T15:17:49.161-05:002015-03-10T15:17:49.161-05:00Now I'm ashamed to be Finnish 😞Now I'm ashamed to be Finnish 😞 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com